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FOR SALE! He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. Specification. The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. It's easy! dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. BASICALLY A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THE WW1 MKI BRODIE EVOLVED INTO THE WW2 MK2 STEEL HELMET,VIA THE INTER WAR MK1* VERSION..AND HOW TO TELL THEM APART.EACH HELMET WILL ALSO HAVE ITS INDIVIDUAL. This differed from the British helmet, as the Mk. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France '
If it is a British helmet, you will find a rubber doughnut in the crown of the helment, and the bales are often installed with split rivets. M1 Helmet Identification; Shipping; Sizing; 1-877-862-5245; TOP POTS - DEDICATED TO M-1 HELMET PRESERVATION. This difference along is enough identify the origin of the helmet. Fully restored with river gravel finis
25.00 1 bid 5.35 postage 5d 19h Click & Collect Repro British Army WW2 Plastic Helmet Tommy Doughboy Brodie Style WWII Soldier 12.99 Click & Collect Free postage When the First World War erupted in the autumn of 1914 all of the major powers were lacking any type of military headgear which could offer effective protection in the face of modern warfare and weaponry. dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. and 34th Coy. Adrian Blake takes a look at collecting such helmets and the huge range and variety that were in use. After the war he was, as prior stated, he held a very high position and worked in surveying land and buildings for military purposes, including Goonhilly which was his most famous and he even chose that name. The American shell is heavier. And later the Germans. See Details. He was the head ofthe South-West ministry of publics works. Follow. While the US Manufacturers developed their own M1917 helmet and got production, up to speed, very few of the M1917s made it to the Western Front before the Armistice. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. That's a tough one without knowing what the actual letters are. E.G.Budd. Available on our website now
With 'COMET ABL 56' printed inside. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic '
The Both the liners and the chinstrap on the British and its American cousin are almost identical. The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were. Clear editor. So. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom '
Canadian Railway Troops who died 18/12/1918 BUSIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France GWF is free to use so please support the Forum Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks By Vimyridge var fontstart = ''
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As a result, when the spectre of another war breaking out in Europe raised its head in the mid-1930s the US military were still arming infantrymen with the M1917. The most widely recognised Air Raid Warden's helmet insignia is the two-inch high 'W'.Depending on the air raid warden's rank he would have either a black helmet with white 'W' or a white helmet with black 'W' (plus one or two one-inch bars (separated by a half-inch gap) to denote seniority within the wardens' service).However, there are a thousands of helmets from various localities with a . Display as a link instead, Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. I'll ask about the bail rivets. The M1 was only finally replaced as the standard issue military helmet for the United States armed forces in 1983, over forty years after it first entered mass production. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen. to attach them. It was made of mild steel originally, but this was quickly dispensed with and a harder type of steel was introduced alloyed with manganese, a mixture known as Hadfield Steel after its developer, the English metallurgist, Sir Robert Hadfield. John Brodie designed the 'tin helmet' as worn in WW1, hence its name. SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. helmet Bowl-shaped steel helmet showing remains of crude dappled camouflage colours of light brown and mid-green on an apple green field.
I have had a good look at your helmet again and managed to find another one to compare,This is an American, Here is a British made helmet from the same period, look at the rim joint how clean the joint is put together, now take a look at the rim joints. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium '
He said it has a separate rim and a serial number of ZA57. Results 1 to 3 of 3 blue brodie helmet(or not) identification. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd 4th Bn. Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets .
Pasted as rich text. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. Welcome to the forum, the helmet looks British made and dates from 1916/17 period, it may have had a donut ring but with out the liner to hold, it in place it's gone missing. Thank you for your reply. and Gen. Hos. U.S. P17 chinstrap bail Alexander & Sons liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. Both helmets are made from hardened manganese steel. In total the steel cap, liner and the accoutrements such as the chinstrap weighed 2.85 pounds or 1.29 kgs. = Hawley Products Co - Illinois. WW2Helmets.Com observes all Federal, State and local laws. Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies. It's easy! The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. Upon the United States entry into the global conflict in April 1917 it urgently needed supplies of the new kinds of steel military headgear which the French, British and Germans had developed since 1915. The letter which follows the slash representsthe company who rolled the steel provide for the helmet. //-->, By A few have turned up with manufacture marks similar to those found on British shells A number of firms made P17s for the U.S. Military. Missing the chinstrap and liner. Hi! Yet more often than not the seller has no idea if the helmet is actually of British or American manufacture, and the buyer has no idea either. Tom.Delahoyde Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France '
What I know so far, He was injured in France in 1940 so was 'dropped' from active service. I'm putting in a picture. A-125-2 ID IN SHELL (HG-43) WWII GERMAN SS M-42 HELMET IN ORIGINAL SHIPPING CRATE. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S.
The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. By Parrotman287 1 year ago. As for suppliers I found another list with a few more names that were missing from Scott's list. i read threads forum about brodie he dailyinfo[1]=' Staff Nurse Edith Mary CAMMACK Associate of the Royal Red Cross, 2nd Class 4th Southern Gen. Hos. Related Weapons & Armor. What mythical beast could that be?? They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941.
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The list is on going if you know any more please let us know. Yet there is one piece of military headgear from the twentieth century which was used not just in the Second World War, but also in the Korean War, the Indochina or Vietnam War, the Iran-Iraq War, the Falklands War, the Yugoslav Wars, the First Gulf War and a range of smaller conflicts such as the Cambodian Civil War and several localized clashes in Central America and the Caribbean during the 1970s and the 1980s. The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. The real beardy types, anoraks and train spotters would only consider the type A and B as true Brodies. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. FOR SALE! = International Molded Plastics - Massachusetts. His full name was Kenneth George YeomanGeeson. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France '
dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. . in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. -- Henry Flescher, Holocaust Survivor -- March 14, 1924 - August 29, 2018. Canucks? Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom '
In all around 900,ooo of these helmets were made by McCord's. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . Often American GIs used the steel cap from the M1 as a rudimentary entrenching tool to dig these foxholes. Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. The codeusuallystarts with a Z and is followedby a series of numbers.
You cannot paste images directly. M1 fixed bail, 34th ID "Red Bull" w/ Mickey Mouse Camo. If solid rivets, its US. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France '
G. Budd, Manufacturing Co. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. If anyone knows something about the helmet please tell me I'm very interested to here what you guy are going to say. Your previous content has been restored. whitman75 6 years ago. ''Everyday you think of living. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania '
There is also a very faded 1st division emblem painted on the helmet. Antique World War II helmet stamped and dated 1942 Canadian Army Brodie helmet made by General Steel Wares of Toronto shopatlanticcanada (133) $191.29 Vintage WWII Army Helmet 1940s Canadian Brodie MKII WyrembelskisVintage (1,643) $165.00 vintage army metal doughboy helmet IronCharlie (31) $345.00 FREE shipping This is an excellent . This cloth by it very nature blended in well and covered up any shiny paint on the helmets finish. Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium '
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Hi J.H.E. I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. lol. I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. Brodie Helmet ID? The MK 1 Brodie helmets are made from original MK2 steel shells have stripped out liner, chinstrap hangers and repainted the shell in the correct WW1 wartime paint then fixed in a 100% accurate reproduction. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. .
The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. The threads that discuss the helmet will contain lots more information. Progressive Knitting Works - Brooklyn - New York. This helmet was called The Helmet, Steel, Mark I but is also sometimes referred to as the Brodie steel helmet or the Brodie Mark I helmet. It continued in use through the relatively peaceful years of the 1920s and when war loomed again in the late 1930s it was still in use. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. Firth & Sons. One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, "I pressed forward with the others to watch the United States physically entering the War, so god-like, so magnificent, so splendidly unimpaired in comparison with the tired nerve-racked men of the British Army. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France '
Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. H.M.S. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. Your link has been automatically embedded.
dailyinfo[21]=' L/32287 Driver John Frampton GAZE "O" Bty. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. Category. Should I get a replacement liner and chinstrap or just leave it as it is? Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. Yet, as well will now see, the Brodies legacy was even greater, for it provided the template for the more influential M1 helmet which was developed in America and which is the most significant military helmet of the twentieth century. Probably the most recognised piece of kit from the Second World War is the British tin helmet which was also used in a variety of forms on the Home Front. Sign up for a new account in our community. The M1 was eventually used in virtually every part of the globe, certainly everywhere that fell within the American sphere of influence during the Cold War, from the Balkans to much of South America and from West Germany to Singapore. By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. This list is on going if you know of any more please let us know. Mar 18, 2023 (2) WWI US ARMY DOUGHBOY COMBAT HELMETS $50. Unlike the ubiquitous Stahlhelm which had been developed by the Germans around the same time the Brodie did not have a nape piece extending further down at the back to protect the neck, however, it did offer greater all round protection from shrapnel descending down into the trenches. For a quarter of a century between the early stages of the First World War through to the first years of the Second World War the Brodie was the standard issue headgear for all British troops. NOT JUST RESTORATION. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. It is a much heavier and more robust design. "Foyle." if (year < 1000) year+=1900
A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. Most American helmet do have heating lot numbers. The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. $11295 Recently on another Great war forum, a collector asked what the FKS on the inside of his WW1 brodie shell meant. brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. June 9, 2018 in You can post now and register later. (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. View detail.
Follow on Instagram, The British Mark I Brodie & the U.S. P17, know the difference, M42 winter camo. In addition, the heads of soldiers had relatively greater exposure than other body areas above the parapets in the European trench warfare of that period, and the British "Brodie" helmet and the nearly identical U.S. Marine Corps Doughboy helmet gave insufficient protection to the back of the skull (in contrast to the protection afforded by . . I'm thinking the lettering could refer to a department he possibly. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). I've just been given what looks like a pretty standard "Tommy" helmet.
The A.E.F. plant of Ford Motor Co of Philadelphia were they were painted and assembled. Vimyridge23 April , 2010 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). Manufacturing Co - Philadelphia - Pennsylvania. The cover was made from the same type of cloth the sand bags the held up the trench wall were made of. WWII US M-1 101st AIRBORNE 506st PIR HELMET ALL ORIGINAL. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". Hi, I recently found my Step-dad's Father's WW2 Mk.1* Brodie.
The Liner maker is R.H.Long 1917 and the other liner stamp mark could be an Army. M42 winter camo. Looks like an original Mk2 shell, obviously repainted. The chinstrap isn't a British one, or at least it's not a wartime example. before , possibly made by oneof the allied countries. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom '
By 1916, Brodie helmet . These have some 115716872255 A heat stamp of 305B on a McCord manufactured helmet. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. It was owing to its shape that the German forces on the Western Front began to refer to the helmet as the Salatschssel or salad bowl. That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. The insignia is for the US 77th Division.
He was in his early forties when the war broke out and he turned his attentions to developing a military helmet along the lines that the French had just produced with the Adrian helmet. Keeping a village shop going, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. "Orbita." The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. Early Mark I helmet initially had thisfeature only to be discontinue in mid 1916. Ones with three holes drilled over the ears on each side didn't pass quality .
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Hello Leon. You cannot paste images directly. Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. Royal Horse Artillery who died 21/02/1917 GUARDS CEMETERY, COMBLES France '
ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. This is an excellent true combat example of a genuine Canadian Mark 1 steel helmet that is dated 1941.
As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. The Great War Forum Limited